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  • ........., the current devs are the one deciding who does what and Gamigo has nothing to say about this. They only publish the work the devs are doing.

    I honestly did not want to comment any of your comments anymore, but if I read total stupidity I cannot keep quiet.

    GAMIGO is the owner of DP + SH - therefore GAMIGO decides what will be published and what not!

    The developers (of what is left of them) have nothing, and I mean nothing to decide. Only to leave the company - and that is whats happening and what is the problem = the KNOW-HOW (of DP+SH) is leaving!

  • I honestly did not want to comment any of your comments anymore, but if I read total stupidity I cannot keep quiet.

    GAMIGO is the owner of DP + SH - therefore GAMIGO decides what will be published and what not!

    The developers (of what is left of them) have nothing, and I mean nothing to decide. Only to leave the company - and that is whats happening and what is the problem = the KNOW-HOW (of DP+SH) is leaving!

    Except You're the low IQ here now.


    Gamigo is the publisher based in Germany, all they do is keep it running. Runewaker OWNS the game, Runewaker EDITS the game, without Runewaker You dont have a game. If Gamigo doesn't like what Runewaker does, Gamigo has a problem because Gamigo isn't Runewakers boss. Gamigo have no right whatsoever to edit the game, and would risk a huge lawsuit if they did.


    Anyone who plays DP knows this, so think before you write.

  • GAMIGO is the owner of DP + SH - therefore GAMIGO decides what will be published and what not!

    I should probably also correct you here. Gamigo is the Publisher, not the Owner. Even as a publisher, you do NOT get to decide what you publish. The Dev/Owner does. They give you patch, you implement it. Why? Because that's not for publishers to decide. If you do not Update, you risk losing the game and future patches entirely.

  • GAMIGO is the owner of DP + SH - therefore GAMIGO decides what will be published and what not!

    The developers (of what is left of them) have nothing, and I mean nothing to decide.

    Oh you're right, I forgot you worked 25 years in this do you *must* be the boss.. where's our content dumbass? We want the 108 zone for DP and the 102 zone for SH, FOR TOMORROW. After all the devs are just a bunch of monkeys that can't do anything right? So give us content now andmuell

  • he was referring to this I think. Also, Gamigo can't "find new devs" for the game, the current devs are the one deciding who does what and Gamigo has nothing to say about this. They only publish the work the devs are doing.

    Gamigo can if they invest enough to buy the whole game.

  • Gamigo can if they invest enough to buy the whole game.

    That would be

    1) IF RW even intends to sell it, and you should know they are incredibly stubborn and proud of their work (hence why they never moved off the RENA)

    2) If Gamigo intends to become a dev. Not impossible, since they partnered with Aeria, who do dev I believe?, but unlikely.

    3) You'd be buying the idea mostly, unless you want to spend an incredible amount trying to figure out the code of some Taiwanese dude, you'd likely be better of starting over the whole game.

    4) Unless you're just buying the idea, you'd need to put in quite a bit of money for the assets too, or they need to grant you permission to use them since they do use a lot of their work in their other mmos and possible phone games.



    It'd be a best case scenario, but then again with the MMO market not running at its fullest, is there even a dev we would trust with this game to completely fix it and overhaul the whole engine, and not fuck it up entirely?

  • Except You're the low IQ here now.


    Gamigo is the publisher based in Germany, all they do is keep it running. Runewaker OWNS the game, Runewaker EDITS the game, without Runewaker You dont have a game. If Gamigo doesn't like what Runewaker does, Gamigo has a problem because Gamigo isn't Runewakers boss. Gamigo have no right whatsoever to edit the game, and would risk a huge lawsuit if they did.


    Anyone who plays DP knows this, so think before you write.

    Runewake will soon leave this game (as the CM Dema said) no more runewake soon, so who will be our devs now ? :)

  • Runewake will soon leave this game (as the CM Dema said) no more runewake soon, so who will be our devs now ? :)

    Runewaker will be.

    They only stop THEIR server. Just because they drop their player server doesn't mean you can suddenly assign a different Dev.


    It's their product, and their game. Unless they sell the game to a different company (which is very, very unlikely to happen) Runewaker will still, and always will have the last say when it comes to DP/SH.


    I should also point out: Server =/= updates. The two have nothing to do with each other, they could drop their server anytime and still produce patches for us (besides the fact that they haven't for years).

  • Just to remind all - we are talking about Savage Hunt!?

    Well, sorry to burst that bubble but:

    If Runewaker has stopped working on game , HOW.......


    You should probably give it a read.

    DP and SH are practically the exact same game, you can't copy a game and call it your own. It's not how any of this works.


    Here's some other examples:

    Go to 1:46, at the bottom, tiny letter. What does it say? Correct! Copyrighted by none other than.... Runewaker


  • It's their product, and their game. Unless they sell the game to a different company (which is very, very unlikely to happen) Runewaker will still, and always will have the last say when it comes to DP/SH.

    Runewaker (presumably) own (most of) the Intellectual Property. But they don't seem to have been able to enforce it very well - there are sometimes private servers higher on Google than the official one. If Runewaker went bankrupt, Gamigo might have rights to replace them with another developer. Or they might be able to buy the IP cheaply from the administrators.


    It's true that it could be expensive to work with foreign code, but development is getting cheaper all the time, and they might be able to replace RW's engine with others that have become available off-the-shelf since 2013. Whilst keeping the concept, art assets, lore, and paying playerbase (such-as-it-is). A lot of DP's art assets are third-party, it can get complicated depending what rights people have reserved. Mike Sass might have a clause entitling him to interest payments for example.


    Who has control over what depends on the license agreement - e.g. a publisher in Germany would probably keep a veto over anything that bordered on local obscenity laws. Wenda Zindrel would be considered properly attired in Germany :w

  • True, but taking down pservers can be a huge pain, hence why most games don't bother. Unless you actually take away their files, which you can't unless you make it a legal action (which costs money), they will just keep popping up, and even then you'll still have chance a new one pops up because usually they aren't a 1 man project but a group effort.


    We won't know for sure what kind of agreements are in their contracts, hence I go with what I know and what appears to be basic. It is very possible to completely re-do DP with everything you included, but it'd be more likely to come from a passion standpoint than a business.


    Gamigo knows how much money DP makes and how much it can make at peak, so they could make the decision entirely on that, but it would be a gamble. Unless, as I said it becomes more a passion project than a business project, I don't see them taking that risk at all.


    But in all honesty, if RuneWaker goes down because of bankrupt, I fully expect it to either go down with them or it gets sold in an attempt to save the sinking ship.

  • Huh ? Gamigo don't win lot of money with DP/SH as a publisher, so how can he know how much money Runewake earn at his peak for DP/SH ?

    They do and they don't.

    I didn't mean to say that Gamigo knows how much RW earns from DP, but how much gamigo makes off it. Naturally both companies keep track of their own profit, so both can judge based on that.


    But as far as I know, and it could be totally off, gamigo pays RW money for the licence to host the game, part of the income usually also goes back to the dev to pay for development aswell, but that is besides the point.

  • But as far as I know, and it could be totally off, gamigo pays RW money for the licence to host the game, part of the income usually also goes back to the dev to pay for development aswell, but that is besides the point.

    You mean what by "host" , as a publisher ? or they will become the new host of both game ? O.O

  • You mean what by "host" , as a publisher ? or they will become the new host of both game ? O.O

    ''The noun host refers to a person who receives and entertains guests.'' aka publisher. Considering gamigo already hosts/publishes the game... you know.. I don't understand what was difficult about what I wrote.